Does anyone know of a reliable source for certified organic seeds?
My neighbor has caught the organic buzz and wants to grow organic weed. I finally got him to understand that in order to truly grow organically he’d have to find legitimate organic seeds to start with or it wasn’t organic weed no matter what soil or nutrients he threw at it. Also had a hard time getting him to comprehend that you can’t grow organic weed from feminized seeds because they are created with chemically sourced pollen and can never be organic.
All that aside, he’s in the market for some regular, organic seeds . . . anyone have a legit source to share?
They don’t sell organic weed seeds from what I’ve found. You can completely grow organically without “organic” seeds. If you couldn’t grow organic without organic seeds then half of what’s labeled organic in the store isn’t really organic.
Kinda what I expected . . . mostly not really organic. I found a couple of breeders claiming to offer organic seeds, I’ve never heard of them and was looking for personal experiences with a source. That’s cool, neighbor asked . . . since I keep trying to get him to jump into coco and HFF, maybe your answer will help me persuade him.
Personally, I’m not a rider on the organic bandwagon . . . I know the plants don’t care where the food comes from or how it’s sourced. And I’ve sampled clones grown both ways to know the dry and cure makes the smoke not the source of the nutes.
But I would have to disagree when it comes to growing organic weed without organically sourced seeds or clones You may grow organically, but unless you know your source is organic then your end product is not organic, rather organically produced.
“The USDA organic regulations at 7 CFR § 205.204 require that organic producers use organic seeds, annual seedlings, and planting stock”
The basic requirements don’t change just because weed isn’t regulated the same as other crops.
Plants and livestock . . . kinda two different subjects, but according to the USDA:
“The use of genetic engineering, or genetically modified organisms (GMOs), is prohibited in organic products. This means an organic farmer can’t plant GMO seeds, an organic cow can’t eat GMO alfalfa or corn, and an organic soup producer can’t use any GMO ingredients. To meet the USDA organic regulations, farmers and processors must show they aren’t using GMOs and that they are protecting their products from contact with prohibited substances, such as GMOs, from farm to table”
A local dude uses the Build a Soil organics (he’s the fella who has my neighbor wanting organic seeds) and grows nice plants. Nothing wrong with organic growing, it’s just not a superior method as so many claim. As for taste, we’ve grown enough clones from the same mother that I think it’s safe to say it is the dry and cure more than the nutes. But of course he says his tastes better, same as you . . . but about 20 other folks who’ve smoked both side by side can’t tell who’s weed is who’s. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don’t. He’s organic, I’m HFF/DTW in coco running the full General Hydroponics line. I think organics to the small scale home grower is just marketing hype . . . he thinks I’m destroying the environment with chem salts.
I think of it like this: Plants uptake nutrients in a certain form only . . . at that level the nutrients are identical in form regardless of source . . . organic or chemical. So if, at the lowest levels, we are giving our plants exactly the same thing why would one identical cation be superior to the other?
Everyone should grow the way they want to . . . I don’t mean to down organics, I just hear so many claims that it’s better when it isn’t. Personally, I think you or anyone else would be hard pressed to find a difference in end product from a well grown organic plant and an equally well grown salts plant if you start with equal genetics and the dry cure processes are the same.
My last grow was a great example of how little difference it makes. I had 2 strains going and both were split between full organic living soil and coco in autopots with full synthetics. I have had about 10 people try the end product and there is absolutely no difference between the two besides the final yields. Unfortunately organics didn’t even come close to the same numbers as the synthetics.
And never will . . . I didn’t touch on yield because I was already concerned with the reaction I’d get to saying organics produce no better end product than synthetics. Got pretty much ran off from one weed forum a few months back for voicing my opinion on organics.
HFF/DTW combined with some crop steering smashes organics for yield . . . it’s been a while but last time I ran clones that were also ran at the same time in Build A Soil branded stuff it wasn’t close. I averaged almost 6 oz per plant more running my old school General Hydroponics stuff in 2 gal pots than the high dollar organics yielded in 7 gallon bags. We both flower under HLG Scorpion Rspec lamps, veg is Mars TSW2000 for the organics and HLG Veg Pro for me.
Hell dude next door runs Happy Frog and Florabloom Lucas formula and comes pretty close to matching the one guy I know who runs organics . . . I just gave them both cuts from a decent Bubbles Blueberry last week so we’ll see how it turns out . . . but I’d bet $$ that BAS will be hitting me up for weed before LUCAS.
I mentioned lamps . . . I’m an HLG person myself, but LUCAS guy has a new Floraflex 700w 4X4 lamp that is nice, good numbers with Photone and costs under $400 if anyone is light shopping . . . and has actually read this far in another of my run-on comments.
I actually have organic seeds. The way I was blessed with these is truly divine. These seeds have been tested and have all 10 cannabinoids. They are the original seeds that are the offsprings from Bob Marley’s mother given to me by a genuine Rastafarian. How many are you looking for? I must say there will be male and females. So, if you want to continue to have your own seeds and not need another external source you will want to grow a male with female plants in an enclosed area or all of your females will become seed bearing and this will also decrease the potency of your harvest. Oh, the grow process for these are so natural that it literally requires water and that’s it. You can add things like molasses later in the growth cycle to change the flavor, but you have found the mother load. As have I. Let me know.
Thanks but they are no longer needed. Neighbor is ordering coco coir and new nutrients as we speak. I think @Crackadoo sharing his experience finally convinced him to forego the transition to organics and move to soilless and full synthetics. Guess the wife is right when she says the neighbor and I are like the proverbial old married couple . . . I told him a thousand times but get someone else to say the same thing here and he’s all in.
LOL! No worried. The offer stands though big you want to let him know. Put them in the ground and water them. I even tested them by placing them in the gravel an inch deep and they are growing beautifully. It’s not just about the grow, it’s about having the full benefits of the plant. No grow lights, special mixtures, or anything other than nature providing what it intends for us to have.
Also, it’s not just couples… it’s children too lol!
If we didn’t plant GMO seeds we wouldn’t have any vegetables and very few fruits. Just about every vegetable we eat is GMO, corn, broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, and bananas are a few examples. Unfortunately, we live in an environment that is full of GMO food.
Likely some good info for anyone interested in soil grows and comparing brands . . . I just run coco and synthetics. I don’t know much about soil growing except it takes too big a pot for a decent sized plant and is more difficult to feed/water properly.
Not even close but OK. I posted it for you. The fist 30 minutes he touches on how organic doesn’t = truly organic when food shopping or buying certain gardening items. I don’t get the attitude for me posting a like that was on topic to our conversation
I love Jeremy, always solid info that’s easy to understand. This is an interesting subject that I’ve never even thought about. I’d say if you’re starting from seed and running organic, you’re okay calling if full organic. The rest is just small shit lol
I just watched that video last night. Cool video. The last 20 minutes was pretty funny. He’s serious about the term “living” soil. And, i cant blame him either. The information is gold. I learned so much more about soil building then I already knew. Good stuff
I think Jeremy was only explaining the difference in what organic soil is compared to “living soil”. It is a small difference in terms of the whole process. But, living soil is just a deeper rabit hole.
